Interview with Canadian Brass in China

Shanghai, July 2, 2000,
By Irwin Wells

By 1976 the Cultural Revolution in China had finally reached its timely demise. Mao's infamous successors, The Gang of Four, no longer ranked as the high chiefs of Chinese rule. In fact, they had been incarcerated. China had reached its boiling point and change peered right around the corner.
Where were the arts headed in China? Who was to play the role of reviving Western Culture? Would the celebratory torch of humanity be passed from West to East?

After twenty - three years, The Canadian Brass revisit China. Undoubtedly, a less high profile tour than their previous Chinese tour - this time they're not giving the inaugural performance of Western music by a Western group since the Cultural Revolution - the remaining original members, tubist, Charles Daellenbach and trombonist, Eugene Watts share their insights of past and present China.

    CB: China was our first tour that created international interest. It was such a hotspot. Everyone was talking about the Cultural Revolution so the idea of performing in China was a very mysterious and volatile idea.

    IW: How did this tour materialize?
    CD: The Prime Minister of Canada, Pierre Trudeau, was an interesting fellow. He was an art lover and people lover. He had people's best interest at heart for whatever he was involved in. A kind of old style politician. He wanted to form a diplomatic relationship between China and Canada. Apparently that was thirty years ago this fall. One of the first results was a cultural exchange. The idea of the cultural exchange was to send a huge group to China, such as the Toronto Symphony or National Ballet and the revolutionary Chinese Opera, the Girl with the White Hair, would come to Toronto. The first part of the tour was in total jeopardy because the Chinese suddenly realized they had no experience in touring a group of 150 people. A very fast thinking Cultural attache at the embassy in Beijing suggested we do an experimental first tour with a smaller group. They warmed up to the idea and the tour was on its way.

    IW: Why were you guys chosen?
    CD: At that time we were very well known in Canada. Canada still had live radio when we started. We were known coast to coast before touring out of Canada.
    EW: We didn't depend on a good hall, we didn't need . microphone. It really appealed to the Chinese In fact, after every concert the political leaders we would meet responded, "... ah, so portable."

    IW: How do you interpret "so portable"?
    EW: From rice patty to rice patty we could play all over China.

    IW: What was your initial feeling about China?
    CB: It was amazing. At the time, Americans could not come to China. There was no relationship with America so the American correspondent was out of Toronto. He was feeding the New York Times.

    IW: How were you able to cross these barriers?
    CD: Clean police records and no knowledge of politics.
    EW: We developed a show where people who had seen the show felt confident people would like our concert. That sent us a lot of places. We had a desire to communicate, not sit, play, and leave. We wanted to feel the energy and response of the audience. If we played a concert and felt nothing from the audience we would feel very frustrated, That was our drive. It was our reason to work and practice so hard.

    IW: What were your audiences like in 1977 China?
    CD: They were hand invited. It was not a paying audience. It was stacked, our dress rehearsals became concerts.

    IW: Were they Government Officials?
    CB: Yes, and workers who performed well. They were rewarded with tickets to our concerts. There was a lot of scrutiny. Our program was put to scrutiny. Ragtime was knocked off because its origins were too decadent. The public would not understand.

    IW: What was on the program?
    CB: Ragtime. We said one piece was a Canadian piece. It was a minstrel piece. We would run around on stage, standing on chairs. It was the Slim Trombone. It was beautiful. When the Chinese audience realized we were up to something beyond music, they started to applaud. The applause was there for the whole piece. It would go up and down depending on the intensity of the piece. It was like an applause track with music. It was really a wonderful experience. It was almost slapstick..
    CB: A high level delegation came to Ottawa about three years later. We went up to play. The event was televised to an international audience. When meeting the official he pretended to play Flight of the Bumblebee. Before that he had never heard a tuba player play anything but "oomp - pahs". They couldn't believe a tuba could play that fast.

    IW: Can you tell your Jung Xing story?
    CD: This was documented in the New Yorker. The story is about Mao's Wife, Jung Xing. She heard something questionable to her ears and inquired around to decide it was the tuba player. He was taken out of the orchestra and everybody followed suit. All the tuba players were sent to the fields. The interesting thing about the way it worked in China was that if something was seen to happen in one place, then everybody quickly followed suit. When the tuba player was dismissed from the orchestra, all were dismissed throughout the country. They were out doing other tasks, nothing to do with tuba playing. We met some of these guys and they were so happy. With the smashing of the "Gang of Four", they were back in the Orchestra. They were back from the fields.
    EW: It turned out that it was actually the Bass trombonist but the conductor felt the tuba player was more dispensable so he said it was the tuba player.

    IW: It sounds like there have been a lot of changes since the last time you were here?
    EW: I guess so. Although when we were first here, it was the beginning of the change you see now. We felt something was happening when we came. Even in those days it seemed like more freedom than you expected. Even though there was a lot of poverty everyone did have a job. Everyone seemed to be busy and active. We were really impressed.
We came at the beginning of a new era. It was after the smashing of the Gang of Four. We heard this line every where we went. They were very proud of this. They made it clear to everyone, The Gang of Four was no longer in control.
    CD: We experienced a huge political event in Wuhan. Deng Xiao Ping's family members attended our concert. The correspondent who had spent the entire tour with us was so excited. He saw Deng's family members at our concert as a signal to the people.
Also, there was a near riot when we were there because people showed up when they found out there was a Western attraction in town and wanted to buy tickets. After ten years of no concerts, they finally wanted to see one and there were no tickets for sale. The police and Military were called.
They recorded our concerts and the music was played for years afterwards. It was the only thing different than what they had normally heard before that time. Many people throughout China started to know of us. Two years later someone we knew went to China and told us our music was being played on the trains.
    EW: They mainly told us "the Revolution was over and now it was time for China to preserve the best of the past and take the best of the West, to use that and grow." It seems this obvious change we see now, that drive for freedom, started then.

    IW: Is that where you see China headed in the future?
    CD: I think China will have anything they want. It's really wonderful to observe the freshness and enthusiasm. Everyone looks like they're on a path. They're really out there doing things.
    EW: I think the food is better. It gives people a different kind of energy when they're not eating so much processed food. I'm serious, look at a normal North American diet.


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